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A different Devils Lake perspective

by , Posted to on 05/10/2011 08:06 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2003
Location: ND

Hi everyone,


 


I wanted to try and get a different perspective on everything going on in the Devils lake basin. I understand on this site there has been a lot of rock throwing and “rights” this and “rights” that in regards to access and fishing. I was up there the last four days and with being a business owner that depends on Devils Lake I think I can say that I am highly interested in keeping the fishing opportunities but also can see some of the frustration on other business owner, farmers, and resident’s faces. I say some of the frustration because I got a good hunch that unless you are living through this, there is no way anyone could understand the pain and loss these folks are going through. You might say I live in Fargo, Jamestown, Grand forks ect and I have experienced flooding and true, you have, and my heart goes out to you but the one main difference is your water went away after a while, theirs isn’t. It is locked in a basin where walls are just lifted and more land is left to the flooding waters. Residents are dealing with access issues of their own, such that,  am I even going to be able to get back to my house when I leave work; knowing that if they can’t and a road doesn’t get raised here or there, they lose the house, land, belongings and everything else. I know for a fact, people have moved campers into Devils lake just for this reason, if they can’t get home they will have a place to stay. There has been a lot of bashing on farmers, imagine this. The 100,000 acre farm has been in your family for years, providing a means of work and in some years, barely putting bread on the table, other years I am sure have been banner but you have always took the good with the bad. Now, Mother Nature unleashes the wrath of water and the lake begins to rise but not to worry, the Corps is diligently studying it and will soon find a solution to save what you have left 7 plus years ago. Fast forward to today, you’re down to 10,000 acres and still trying to put bread on the table, lake is still rising, Corps is still supposedly thinking. Tax bill is due on that 100,000 acres, do you pay it so you still own the land that is making you nothing in hopes that you  still have a farm if the water levels go down or do you default and let the state take over that land? The business owner that is near the lake, you look at these Resorts and think, wow, what a cash cow they got going on here, but with the rising lake waters they lose more and more land and have to pay out more and more to try and keep what they have left. Keep in mind, some resorts use to be farms that lost nearly everything once, tried to turn lemons into lemonade by going with a resort and now are slowing losing that. Who do all these people in the region turn to for help? City doesn’t have a lot of money, county is broke, and the state is starting to push a little. Has the President declared a disaster area and opened up federal funds, oh wait their broke too. Do you depend on FEMA for a buyout, insurance if you can still afford the premiums? How about the Corps?


 


I know for a fact that I have not even scratched the surface with what I have wrote and what people are feeling, I don’t think that you can put that into words but my point in writing this is for us sportsman that uses the Devils Lake Basin as an outdoor recreation outlet as we should, need to have some compassion and understand what these folks are going through. Next time you’re up in that area, I challenge you to take 10 minutes with someone who lives in the area and just listen, they need to vent in a constructive manner and you will receive a better understanding  what is truly happening in their lives and who knows you might even make a new friend in the process.

 

Good Luck and Good Fishin'

Eric T


Re: A different Devils Lake perspective
by on 05/10/2011 08:11 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/05/2011
Location: ND

Im on a mission, Im goin fishin!!

Re: A different Devils Lake perspective
by on 05/10/2011 08:28 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/21/2007
Location: ND
You are absolutely right Eric, thanks for your post. There is alot of flooding going on right now all over the US, which will diminish the severity of DL's plight in the rest of the nation's eyes. Which is very unfortunate. What's the answer or plan to significantly remove water from the basin while affecting the least amount of people? There needs to be some sound brainstorming going on with a plan and then get enough people and government entities behind it to make it happen. The lake isn't going to wait much longer before it flows like it did in past history.
"A true friend is one who overlooks your failures and tolerates your sucesses"
Re: A different Devils Lake perspective
by on 05/10/2011 08:31 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/30/2002
Location: ND
Spot on Walynut!
Re: A different Devils Lake perspective
by on 05/10/2011 08:40 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 10/21/2009
Location: ND
Well said.  Mother nature has not been kind to you folks up there.

"If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of your trouble, you wouldn't sit for a month."

Re: A different Devils Lake perspective
by on 05/10/2011 08:52 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/09/2007
Location: ND
Good post. I would hate to be in their shoes.
Re: A different Devils Lake perspective
by on 05/10/2011 09:08 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/12/2003
Location: ND

Re: A different Devils Lake perspective
by on 05/10/2011 09:11 AM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/30/2002
Location: ND
The thing that is so maddening to all locals up here is the fix for this whole flooding issue would be so simple. When a person goes to the Tolna Coulee and actually sees where this lake will flow out naturally it is mind boggling to think about the hundreds of millions of dollars that have been spent on road raisings, buyouts, etc.

The corps should have got a control structure for a controlled flow out the Tolna Coulee 10 years ago. If the levels could have been kept near 1446-1450, I think most people up here could live with those levels. It is now too late with the lake fastly approaching 1455. It is an absolute shame to see the damage that is being done on infrastructure basin wide up here as well as the agriculture demise of many producers. Such a shame that some of the best possible years as far as commodity prices go are being taken away due to water for local producers.
Re: A different Devils Lake perspective
by on 05/10/2011 09:17 AM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/12/2003
Location: ND
Re: A different Devils Lake perspective
by on 05/10/2011 09:42 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/04/2009
Location: ND
If this problem is left to MOTHER NATURE, to solve, it is not going to be good.When this monster finally breaks thru.KISS Valley city,Lisbon,And most of the intra-structe on the Sheyenne river all the way to the Red River,and maybe beyond ,GOOD-BYE
KENNYBOB IS BACK!!!
Re: A different Devils Lake perspective
by on 05/10/2011 09:46 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/31/2005
Location: ND
I'm sure most of you have seen this but for those who have not....

vimeo.com/13303875



Virtual tour of Tolna Coulee from l k on Vimeo.




brindle is as brindle does
 

Re: A different Devils Lake perspective
by on 05/10/2011 09:52 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/07/2002
Location: ND
I have family friends who farmed two miles away and their home is under 30 feet of water.  The whole family farm is gone.  They had to start over in life with their savings and move careers at age 55.  Sucks.  I understand the frustration.  But that still does not give anybody any right to stop somebody from fishing on a boat on water that once covered your land.  Yes I wish these people could be compensated for people fishing on their land some how.... but there is just no way to do that.  People have the legal right to fish it....
Re: A different Devils Lake perspective
by on 05/10/2011 10:10 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/03/2009
Location: nd
a perspective on shore fishing the region. somewhat in response to some of the other threads from this spring, but still fits here.

some people dont "get it". landowners are not asking to be compensated for fishing OVER the top of their flooded grounds. they are sick of people, in AND out of staters alike blocking roads and accesses to fields and their HOMES day in and day out for both getting to work in the field to make money and getting home to their families. tearing up the barely travelable road left to homes, leaving garbage on the country side they live on. they are not anti-fishing, they are not anti-fun, what they are is anti-disrespectful people and i for one dont blame them. i choose not to give them one more headache in their already stressed out situation. there are literally thousands of options for shorefishing in our fine community. it IS without question a shorefishermans paradise, some of the best in the country. do a little exploring, get off the beaten path, have some fun finding your own "secret spot",  dont be scared of walking a little bit to do so. 
Re: A different Devils Lake perspective
by on 05/10/2011 10:21 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/18/2002
Location: ND
Eric, you are close to spot on, but Mother Nature is not the problem. Lets start with The EPA. They would not allow us to start draining when we realized there was a major problem. Minnesota whinned like a stuck pig when we wanted to start draining. Manatoba said no unless we put in a filtering system, which is understandable. Richard Betting and the People to Save the Sheyene still haven't figured out they are history fi it flows out on its own. But then again they know The Feds will never allow a natural flow in the Tolna Coulee.Armor the coulee, but to what elevation. Maybe that is why the Roads are being built up to an elevation of 1475 and the natural out flow is 1458. Um!!!!!!  But now with the two proposed outlets going full steam it is supposed to take off one foot of water a year. Lets see close to three feet is expected this year alone. Oh weel Ive got get outside and fill some more sandbags. Maybe Mr. Betting would like to come up and help some of us.
Re: A different Devils Lake perspective
by on 05/10/2011 10:30 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2003
Location: ND
pokey Said:
Eric, you are close to spot on, but Mother Nature is not the problem. Lets start with The EPA. They would not allow us to start draining when we realized there was a major problem. Minnesota whinned like a stuck pig when we wanted to start draining. Manatoba said no unless we put in a filtering system, which is understandable. Richard Betting and the People to Save the Sheyene still haven't figured out they are history fi it flows out on its own. But then again they know The Feds will never allow a natural flow in the Tolna Coulee.Armor the coulee, but to what elevation. Maybe that is why the Roads are being built up to an elevation of 1475 and the natural out flow is 1458. Um!!!!!!  But now with the two proposed outlets going full steam it is supposed to take off one foot of water a year. Lets see close to three feet is expected this year alone. Oh weel Ive got get outside and fill some more sandbags. Maybe Mr. Betting would like to come up and help some of us.
Absouletly concurr!!!

 

Good Luck and Good Fishin'

Eric T


Re: A different Devils Lake perspective
by on 05/10/2011 10:59 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/27/2002
Location: ND
 What if we..........
1.  Build a pipeline to the sheyenne river from east devils lake and regulate how much we pump into it to slow the rise of the big lake so it only comes up half as fast as it is right now?
Price Tag....100's of millions of dollars

2.  How about build a pipeline to the Bakken and they can use Devils Lake water in their microfracture drilling process?
Price Tag...... 100's of millions of dollars.
 
3.  How about we build a pipeline from devils lake to the southwestern states and pump some water down their where they need it pretty bad?
Price Tag...... Billions

4.  How about we finish the Mcclusky canal and ship some water to the missouri through what was the garrison diversion?

Pricetag...... Millions.

5.  How about we build a really big pipeline and pump water over to the middle east in exchange for oil?

Price tag..... Zillions.

OR-

How about we hire a construction company to dredge out the tolna coulee and do what should have been done 5 years ago?  I am quite positive that there are a few companies that would do it for just the price of fuel and labor.
Price Tag.........Thousands of dollars, I would bet if you passed the hat, you would raise that much just in the lake region.

AHHH, frustration is getting to me and just about everyone else up here, as I just got done sucking up another 40 gallons of water from my basement from seepage.
At least I can remain somewhat humorous about it huh?


 
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